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I read through this entire work in order to give equal time to the tensions and issues within Thelema and the larger pagan community lately.

I had a hard time with this piece due to some of the writing and style choices, which I generally don't critique too harshly. However, when one writes on Thelema - assuming a mantle of authority or expertise, it would be a good idea to make sure you correctly refer to the Aeon of Horus as such and not as Hours otherwise it sets a strange tone for a defense of traditional Thelema.

Next, I'm a little unclear what the point of this is. Is this is a hit piece on Marco Visconti or a hit piece on Post-Thelema? I understand that it may make sense to attack the philosophy by attacking the philosopher but is that, in essense, not all that disimilar from your issue with the Post-Thelemic viewpoint? You point out some of the criticisms of Crowley - comparing them to your own - and suggest that still Thelema is inextricably entwined with Crowley's philosophy and symbolism and therefore one should not take Crowley out of Thelema for his supposed wrongdoings or out of date attitudes. Then you suggest that due to Visconti's alleged issues, Post-Thelema is inherently flawed. Yes, it's fine if you make the argument that it's hypocritical - which you do - but you suggest that it is still a blow against the ideology. Either people's personal faults are a blow to an ideology or they are not. You can't have it both ways. Hypocrisy is a problem unto itself but it can't be your argument against Post-Thelema if you are also arguing that Crowley's issues should not be cause to remove him from the practice.

You say that you are "not a supporter of cancel culture, and believe people can change," but you devote merely a sentence to that and then claim that Visconti attempts to cancel others; however, I'm not sure if I agree with the statement let alone that anyone has been tangibly harmed or cancelled by any of the discourse going on right now, particularly in pagan circles where there isn't any real governing body. Attempts at "cancellation" happens on both sides of the political spectrum, no matter what folks want to believe. The dedication right-wing circles have towards erasing movements seeking to be less "traditional" is intense and is an essential piece of what makes up their framework of thought. You can see this in their rigid view of gender, of divine concepts of femininity and masculinity, etc. While I'm a proponent of free speech, it seems to me many misunderstand the differences between cancel culture, discourse and reaction, consequences, etc. The point of cancellation is to ostracize or silence others. Very, very rarely have I seen anyone truly ostracized or silenced on either side of the aisle. If I cease talking to someone because of their actions, it is not because someone else cancelled them; it's because I find what they said or believe to be reprehensible and don't wish to spend time on them.

I'm clearly reading your words, which you've freely written, so you are not cancelled or silenced. However, you've never made clear what some of your beliefs are and the vague statements you've made regarding perceptions of divine femininity, views on plastic surgery - which can include reconstructive or gender affirmative procedures, and a whole host of other topics do provide some framework for the suggestion that your views are in opposition to mine and others. You can't fault people for not wanting to befriend or converse with someone who they feel is opposed their existence. Still, right now, there is interaction and you've still got a following. Do you feel entitled to more than that? Is there something you are denied because of people's perception of you?

I don't know enough about your book to be able to make any statements of fact on it. I have no idea what your publisher said to you nor what was said to your publisher. Likewise, I don't think you can know for certain what was said to Visconti in terms of the titling of his book. Often publishers exert control over that and given you and he are very different people with books only tangentially related (being Thelemic and pagan in nature), you can't know anything about how they would want to sell the book. I think any statements on that account are misleading and not strong evidence for your point, coming from a place of pure conjecture.

If you are going to throw accusations around, show some kind of evidence. It goes a long way to proving what you say instead of merely your reader taking your word for it.

I'm not entirely certain I agree with your point that Thelemites MUST believe that "The Book of the Law" is a legitimately channeled holy text. I know many who believe it is a holy text, but the word "channeled" is doing a lot of heavy lifting for the variety of schools of thought I see in the Thelemic community.

To be an effective essay with a clear point, I feel as if evidence must be provided. When you say, "The manifesto is mostly an aimless ramble about right-wing politics, and it makes very little sense," you do not provide any examples of the points that don't make sense. It seems strange to me to make a blanket statement about the nonsensical nature of something and pivot in the next sentence to "the message is clear." Either it lacks clarity or it doesn't.

I think just a point by point analysis of the original Post-Thelema Manifesto would have been a stronger argument. I'd also love to know what you define as hedonism - simple excess of pleasures or is there more to it. Also, what justifies Crowley's misogyny, racism, etc.? Is there something inherently wrong with Visconti's problem with Crowley for being politically oriented over your issues with Crowley? Is there something purer in your criticisms than Visconti's? Do you believe that politically based critiques are separate from personal or philosophical, even when the political is entrenched in our belief systems and sense of self?

Frankly, yes, I don't think we should throw the baby out with the bath water when we look at systems that originated prior to the 21st century. Of course. But being of your time does not absolve you of the judgments of the future. We can read his works and believe experiences with some degree of critique. Just how traditional must traditional be? Instead of being on the offense, why not introduce what you think is the best view and practice of Thelema? I feel like I never see you draw out your system so it can only be obliquely critiqued and yet you wrote paragraphs on the what others feel.

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Well done, Georgina!

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